Why do Christians have such a high opinion of this guy?

Matt 15:22-28 – Describes an encounter between Jesus and a Gentile woman who begs him to heal her daughter. Jesus ignores the woman. She persists and he finally says to her, “I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. It is not meet to take the children’s (Jews) bread and to cast it to dogs (Gentiles).”  Woman won’t give up and eventually Jesus finally relents and heals the child. Christians want us to worship a God who refused to heal an innocent child until he was pressured into it. Wow.

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10 Responses to “Why do Christians have such a high opinion of this guy?”

  1. Thomas, Jesus does not “relent” to the woman to heal her daughter. This passage has Jesus testing the faith of a gentile, to see if she truly believed in him or if she was simply trying to get him to heal her daughter by throwing out fancy words and worshipping him. !)avid

  2. doubtingthomas426 Says:

    Whiteman0o0,

    Can you please expand on your interpretation of this story for me. I’m curious how you came to this opinion.

    Thanks,

    DoubtingThomas

  3. I have a different take on this.

    There would have been quite a bit of cultural stigma for Jesus to speak to a non-Jewish woman whom he was not related to in his day. [It’s one of the things that made his conversation the Samaritan woman at the well so intriguing.] I think he was putting on a show to shame his critics. Jesus was always quite clever in answering and confounding his critics. I think he used this dialogue to nip off his critics objection to his deigning to speak to the SyroPhoenecian woman and healing her daughter [instead of just helping the Jewish people].

    Of course, if you just want to paint it black and see it only in a negative light [as you nearly always do], be my guest. For the record though, you’re not being skeptical; you’re being critical – and overly so at that.

    –Sirius Knott

  4. Very well Thomas, Jesus is walking through a town, at this point word has undoubtedly spread that he was a miracle worker as he had quite a following. This woman comes up and begins to beg him to heal her daughter, goes through the motions of worshiping him, begs pleads, et cetera. Jesus lets this proceed for a while and throws a couple of comments her way to see if she is being sincere in her worshiping and such or if she’s just putting on a show for the crowd to try and force him into doing something since there are so many people around. After he gets his proof of her sincerity he heals her daughter.
    I hope this was clear, please feel free to point out anything you would like.
    !)avid

  5. doubtingthomas426 Says:

    Whiteman0o0,

    OK. Thank you for explaining your interpretation. I just wanted to be clear that your interpretation wasn’t based on any actual scripture as I couldn’t find anything to support your view of what the passage meant. Another example of Christians translating the bible to mean whatever they want. Whiteman0o0, how is your personal opinion any more legitimate than Sirius’? How many different Christians will translate this passage as meaning a different thing and which one should I take as ‘gospel’?

    I will reprint the entire passage here:

    Matthew 15:22-28 (KJV)

    22. And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
    23. But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
    24. But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
    25. Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
    26. But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it to dogs.
    27. And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.
    28. Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

    It wasn’t after the woman chose to worship Jesus that he relented but after she conceded that she was a dog who was willing to eat of her master’s crumbs that he suddenly decides to heal her daughter.

    I may ‘paint it black’, Sirius, but you always paint it white. My personal opinion comes from an honest (and yes, critical) review of the bible not affected by religious bias, while yours is clearly completely shaped by religious bias. And yet somehow you seem to believe you are some sort of authority that can’t be disputed, as if there weren’t a hundred other sects of Christianity out there with an entirely different translation. Why should anything you say, Sirius, be considered as anything other than personal opinion?

    DoubtingThomas

  6. Thomas,

    I have read this passage quite a few times before I made my comment about it, because I do not want to come across as some mindless xian who is just yelling for the sake of yelling.

    Tell me this, If you weren’t entirely sure that this man could heal your daughter and if you weren’t entirely sure that you believed in him, would you sit there and endure the things he said and follow him around for miles and miles, and grovel at his feet to beg for him to heal your daughter? This passage is about faith Thomas, Jesus is testing this womans faith before he heals her daughter.
    !)avid

  7. Anytime I read such comments on some such story from the Bible, I want to ask the participants this: since there is no evidence whatsoever but what the story was written many years after both Jesus and the woman were dead, as well as the wittnesses, what proof is there that the incident ever took place? Human nature has not changed over the past two millennium: just as now, no two people

  8. my comment was interrupted. I started to add: no two people ever seem to remember an incident of any importance, in exactly the same way.

  9. Mary, the earliest recorded evidence of Julius Caesar(The caesar around in Jesus’ day) is approximately 95 years after he died…. how do you know he existed? !)avid

  10. I’m a little late in getting back to this particular blog. whitemanOoO, What, in any way, has your question to do with my comment? What does it matter if a person by the name of Julius Caesar did not exist? We know that the Jews were under the rule of Rome some two thousand years ago, and we know that someone with the authority to keep the Jews obedient to Rome, had to have been in Jerusalem at the time. We can be fairly certain that Jesus, or whoever it was who believed himself to have “been sent by God” and who had himself quite a following, did not take with him a traveling secretary. Every word that Jesus is supposed to have uttered came from somebody’s memory. When has memory proven to be infallible? I find it rather amusing when conversations, some two thousand years ago and not written down at the time by an attending scribe, are used as “proof positive” they ever took place at all.

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