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All I need is one provable sighting to renew my faith – Why are angels so commonly seen and interacted with and active in the bible but now … nothing but empty claims?

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mjdcrx Says:
January 10, 2008 at 2:13 am e

When an angel is seen in the Bible, it is usually to perpetuate the spreading of God’s message (be it a prophetic message, or a message to a single person). The one time that angels were so widely discussed in the Bible was with the siting of the two angels by the two women delivering spices to the tomb after Jesus’ death. Even then, the two women spread the word of the angelic site only to the Eleven apostles and the others (an unknown number, but in a time of hiding and mourning, it couldn’t be a ridiculous amount). The way angels work in the Bible has always been primarily quiet (save the few battles angels aided Israel in), and even today people proclaim to see angels, but have no solid proof. Did the people of the Old Testament have any physical proof? No – they had others to back up their claims. Inasmuch as we like to see physical proof for the existence of a creature, item, or whatever it is, angels are still active:
* Worship and praise – This is the main activity portrayed in heaven (Isaiah 6:1-3; Revelation 4-5).
* Revealing – They serve as messengers to communicate God’s will to men. They helped reveal the law to Moses (Acts 7:52-53), and served as the carriers of much of the material in Daniel, and Revelation.
* Guiding – Angels gave instructions to Joseph about the birth of Jesus (Matthew 1-2), to the women at the tomb, to Philip (Acts 8:26), and to Cornelius (Acts 10:1-8).
* Providing – God has used angels to provide physical needs such as food for Hagar (Genesis 21:17-20), Elijah (1 Kings 19:6), and Christ after His temptation (Matthew 4:11).
* Protecting – Keeping God’s people out of physical danger, as in the cases of Daniel and the lions, and his three friends in the fiery furnace (Daniel 3 and 6).
* Delivering – Getting God’s people out of danger once they’re in it. Angels released the apostles from prison in Acts 5, and repeated the process for Peter in Acts 12.
* Strengthening and encouraging – Angels strengthened Jesus after His temptation (Matt 4:11), encouraged the apostles to keep preaching after releasing them from prison (Acts 5:19-20), and told Paul that everyone on his ship would survive the impending shipwreck (Acts 27:23-25).
* Answering prayer – God often uses angels as His means of answering the prayers of His people (Daniel 9:20-24; 10:10-12; Acts 12:1-17).
* Caring for believers at the moment of death – In the story of Lazarus and the rich man, we read that angels carried the spirit of Lazarus to “Abraham’s bosom” when he died (Luke 16:22).

So to say that angels, right-off-the-bat, are “nothing but empty claims,” is erroneous. Angels serve a purpose still today, but due to a severe amount skepticism today (“We Want Proof!” (Some may not even believe with proof!: Luke 16:31)), it is highly probable that people may just stop reporting angelic sitings for fear of being rebuked as a Bible-Thumper or a Loon.

Good Talking to you again!

~~mike

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doubtingthomas426 Says:
January 10, 2008 at 3:14 am e

Mike, I have a MAJOR problem with your focus on the New Testament’s depiction of angels. Please review the rest of my site to be reminded of the behavior of angels as depicted in the Old Testament (Especially Lot’s harboring of two angels, see post here https://doubtingthomas426.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/great-guy-horrible-father/). That is, unless you belong to a sect of Christianity that doesn’t believe the Old Testament is legitimate. Please clarify this for me.

Thanks again for visiting my site. I continue to look forward to your comments.

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mjdcrx Says:
January 10, 2008 at 5:40 am e

I’ll take a look at it next time I have some time to sit down and read for an extended period (so be ready Friday for a debate >:P). And to my knowledge, I don’t belong to a sect of Christianity unless non-denominational counts? hehe.

Were/are the angels minorgods? – The angels seem to be gods themselves. They are powerful and, like God, they existed before the earth’s creation, some even rising up against God in a rebellion. The bible seems to suggest there were many gods and God was either just the most powerful or simply the first to act to take charge.

 

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mary a. kaufman Says:
May 28, 2008 at 8:27 am e

The following isn’t all about angels, but it’s all I have at hand at the moment.

THREE TIMES AND YOU ARE OUT!

God is Good. God is love, or so believers say
and all who hear and doubt this ‘Truth’
are doomed to hell on Judgment Day.
In the Beginning there was God,
naught but God, and God, Alone.
If God is Good and God is Love
then surely Sin was yet unknown.
If God with Holy Powers made,
to keep Him company,
a Heavenly Host of Angels, Pure,
as sinless Pure as He
then How and When, then What and Who
caused Lucifer to fall from Place?
Who tempted him, as he is blamed
for Eve and Adam’s Fall from Grace?

Without the Devil’s Wily Schemes
we’re told that Eden still would be
the Realm of Man with Sin unknown,
with only Good for Thee and Me.
But Satan foiled God’s Plan for Earth,
but how was Satan tempted?

When once this earth has passed away
and Goats and Sheep are separating,
the How and When, the What and Who
will still be out THERE, waiting!

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mary a. kaufman Says:
May 28, 2008 at 8:41 am e

really, there should be a way to edit ones comments. I left out two important lines:
But Satan foiled God’s Plan for Earth
but how was Satan tempted?
Will Heaven see God’s plan perfected
and the Saved from Sin, exempted?

When once this World has passed away
and Goats and Sheep are separating,
The How and When, the What and Who
will still be out there waiting!

Can anyone disprove the existence of a How, When, What and Who, to tempt the angel Lucifer, who seems to have somehow metamorphosed into the Christian Devil

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JoshWink Says:
August 15, 2008 at 9:54 am e

Oh, Thanks! Really funny. Big ups!

 

* And you are? – Judges 13:16 – “For Manoah knew not that he was an angel of the Lord.” Why do people sometimes not recognize an angel for what it is?

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billindetroit Says:
December 16, 2007 at 6:38 am e

Neither did Zecharaih or Mary. The reason being that they are not constrained to any particular form. Some present themselves as huge, others lower their armor so far as to wrestle with a man all night.

They identify themselves when the time comes … but it doesn’t come every time.

Why do people sometimes not recognize an undercover narcotics officer for what he is?

 

* Was the earth really created to hold the cast out angels? – Matt 25:41 – has Jesus declaring that hell was prepared for the Devil & his angels. And just when did God prepare hell for Satan & his host if Satan & the other angels rebelled and were cast out before earth was created.

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bitterhermit Says:
January 10, 2008 at 4:39 pm e

Well, the most obvious answer is the one I use against evolutionists and creationsists alike on the whole creation issue: God is outside of time. Because he is outside of time, all things happen within one moment for him – a moment that takes eternity to unravel.
Buddhism offers a good visual imagery of this condition.
Here’s the part that I can’t wrap my mind around: if God is omnipresent, where is Hell? Hell is supposed to be a place absent of Him, thus making it an unbearable darkness of agony.
I wrote in a poem once, “Sermon on the Lawn” is the title, that God is an autistic child from the seventh dimension.
David

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