Archive for January, 2008

What Happened To Thou Shalt Not Kill?

Posted in -QUESTIONS FOR GOD AND HIS BELIEVERS, Religion with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , on January 30, 2008 by DoubtingThomas

 “If thy brother … or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying Let us go and serve other gods … Thou shalt surely kill him … and thou shalt stone him with stones that he die.” Deut 13:6, 9, 10. So if someone you love wants to be another religion and asks you to consider joining their religion, you should disobey the Ten Commandments, and righteously kill him, condemning their soul to eternal torment in hell? This is the command of a god you want me to worship and love and dedicate my life to? Really? I think I’ll pass.

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Why Is God Such A Dick To The Jews?

Posted in -WHY IS GOD SUCH A DICK TO THE JEWS?, Religion with tags , , , , , , on January 20, 2008 by DoubtingThomas

Why Is God Such A Dick To The Jews?

 

Even God’s chosen people aren’t immune to his cruelty, in fact, it could be argued they are treated most cruelly of all. God sells Israel to the king of Mesopotamia for 8 years because the Israelites intermarried with Gentiles & worshiped gods other than him Judges 3:8. He ‘smites’ Israel and delivers the Jews to the Moabite Kings for 18 years Judges 3:14. He sells the Jews to the king of Canaan for 20yrs Judges 4:2. He delivers the Jews to the Midianites for 7 years Judges 6:1. He allows Jerusalem & Judah to fall into the hands of the Philistines for 40 years and to be under the rule of Babylonia for 70 years Judges 13:1.

 Num 11:31-33 – When the Jews complain of the lack of meat to eat during their forced march through the desert for forty years, God gets mad (again) & sends quail to cover the ground a days travel in each direction and piled up three feet high. He then smote the Jews with a very great plague.

Another great example of one of the absurd stories of the bible. Does anybody really believe a three foot high pile of quail covered the earth for miles in every direction? Seriously?

 Num 14 – Because the Jews weren’t thrilled with the idea of moving to Canaan, God was furious (what’s new) and cursed the entire congregation (even those who had not complained. God, being fair as usual) to wander one year for each of the 40 days (40 years) Moses’ spies had spent on the scouting expedition. 

Num 21:5-9 – After complaining about the lack of bread and water and sick of manna, God sends fiery serpents to bite the Jews & many die as a result. Does God decide to stop them? No. Instead, Moses has to use Old Testament magic & fasten a brass serpent to a pole & whoever sees it will be cured.

After many years of service and sacrifice, Moses is forbidden from entering the Promised Land because he struck a rock in anger while trying to produce water. He had early succeeded in this by God’s own instruction. Moses’ brother Aaron is also forbidden from entering even though he did nothing wrong. Num 20:11, 12 & Deut 34. 

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Save Yourself From Religion!

Posted in -MISC, -SAVE YOURSELF FROM RELIGION, Religion with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , on January 19, 2008 by DoubtingThomas

Save Yourself From Religion! 

Robert M. Pirsig: “When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called Religion.”

All gods have been invented by man. Since the earliest days of our existence we have created gods to comfort our fears (mainly death) and explain the unexplainable. It’s absurd to suggest that primitive humans guessed wrongly about everything else, but were spot on regarding the origins of life. Once upon a time it was our god(s) who caused the lightning to strike and the thunder to rumble, same with the windstorms, plagues, tidal waves, floods, and earthquakes. It was our god(s) who lifted the sun into the sky (if the sun itself wasn’t the god) and darkened the moon. How many times has something, especially the origin of something, that was once attributed to a god, had the truth revealed by science? Whenever a new truth is discovered, some religious belief falters. And rarely, if ever, does a new scientific discovery ever support any religious theory. Just how many of the stories of the bible need to be proven fallacies before those who hold its pages in reverence will begin to question their conviction? Let’s face it, there are many who, even with the evidence of a story’s fiction placed right before them, will deny its validity before they even consider denying the absoluteness of their holy book. Is there truly any way to convince such people? Is faith simply a synonym for willful ignorance? How is it that the faithful can so casually dismiss ALL the other gods and religions mankind has invented over the years, acknowledging that they are ALL fallacious man made drivel, ALL, that is, with the exception of THEIR god and their particular religion? Could there be a more perfect example of arrogance and narcissism?

On what do you base your faith? Dogma? The pretty, comforting scripture you repeat over and over like a mantra, carefully avoiding the rest of the biblical passages that are utterly horrifying and/or obviously fiction? Are you simply the faith of your parents? And by parents, I mean original/birth parents. Are you more likely to belong to the faith of those who birthed you or those who raised you? If, at 4 years old, your parents died while taking you on a Christian missionary expedition through the mountains of Afghanistan, and a local family of Muslims found you and raised you as their own, do you really think you wouldn’t grow up a Muslim? Why would God allow a Muslim family to lead one of his children away from the one, true faith? Is it because what religion you belong to is completely arbitrary? And can anything arbitrary ever be taken as an absolute?

The truth WILL set you free. But you will not find it in the pages of the bible or any other religious doctrine. But please do read the bible, and in its ENTIRETY, but do so with open eyes and a clear mind. No one who does so can possibly come away having any desire to glory in the god depicted in its pages. 

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The Fallacy of the Flood (Noah’s Ark)

Posted in --THE FALLACY OF THE FLOOD (Noah's Ark), -NOAH AND THE ARK, Religion with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , on January 16, 2008 by DoubtingThomas

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The Fallacy of the Flood (Noah’s Ark)   

God so despised (so much for ‘good’) the offspring of the first nine generations of his creation that he decided to not only kill them all but to kill every other living thing upon the face of the earth! No exception was made for children, pregnant women or even babies (not to mention kittens, puppies and flowers). Only Noah, his three sons and their four wives were spared. How convenient that Noah and his sons had such perfect taste in women.

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Noah was commissioned to construct a ship of such size that no one at the time had ever even conceived of such a vessel (500ft long, 85ft wide, 60ft & 3 stories high or less than half the size of the Titanic or about a ¼ the size of the Queen Mary II).  In fact, the lumber (gopher wood) required to build it would have been extremely expensive and, frankly, nearly impossible to acquire even if they had chopped down every gopher-wood tree in the area (it’s a wasteland, people!). And the tools needed to create such a vessel didn’t even exist. The tools would have had to have been created from scratch. On top of this, Noah had to do this with little to no knowledge of shipbuilding (and let’s face it, only an expert ship builder could hope to construct a vessel never before imagined and hope to make it sea worthy). Oh yeah, and while he was constructing the ship he also was commanded to gather SEVEN of every ‘clean’ beast & two of every ‘unclean’ beast & SEVEN of every fowl of both sexes (14 each), and a male & female of every ‘creeping thing’. He had to do this with the assistance of only seven other people. Even if they didn’t eat, sleep, piss or shit, this would have taken a VERY long time (I ignore the 120 years bible literalists give as it is a completely willful assumption which has no actual biblical support). This begs the question; How many innocents were born in that time and why weren’t they spared? How many dead babies were floating on the waters of God’s tantrum?

How is it neither Noah, his sons, nor their wives were at all concerned about worshiping and blindly obeying a god (really they were obeying Noah as he was the only one in direct communication) who was determined to kill all of their friends and family? Did they all really believe everyone they knew deserved to be murdered? Oh yes, that’s right, in their leisure time (what leisure time!) they were all preaching to the God doomed masses. I guess they really sucked at it as not a single person repented their sins and received an invitation on board. Even on day 39 of the rains they couldn’t bring anyone back to God? Wow?

 animals 25So, who stays behind to build the Ark while the others go in search of all the animals (and insects), the VAST majority of which the people of that time had no idea even existed. Let’s say half and half. No, wait! Even better, let’s assume God used his magical powers to influence every animal and insect to make its way to Noah and the Ark, leaving the men to focus on building the ship (ignore the fact that this completely disputes the bible). Even assuming that, however, one must ask how, exactly, did the various species that only exist in certain parts of the world (Koala Bear, Polar Bear, Panda Bear, etc.) manage to reach the Ark? Wait! I know, let’s assume that all the continents were still a single land mass just a few thousand years ago (more like 100 million, but who’s counting?).  Problem solved. Now, one must ask, how long would it take for a Sloth, native to Southern and Central America, to march its way to the Ark? And did we really need to include the Brown Recluse Spider and the Black Mamba? Really?

OK, so the Ark is completed just in time as all the animals and insects arrive and crowd on in. Except they won’t fit. This is understandable as the people who wrote the bible were only familiar with a very, very small percentage of the creatures that dwelled upon the earth so their measurements would have seemed more than adequate. But, of course, in reality they weren’t. The size of vessel that would be required to hold 2-7 of every living thing, including insects and fish, is too absurd to even contemplate. And that doesn’t even take into account all the food and fresh water that would be needed to sustain both man and beast for the 190 days they were on board the Ark (not to mention during the wait). Does this mean even more animals so the carnivores have some fresh meat? And what about after the flood? The whole of the earth would have been covered in rotting corpses and vegetation. There will be nothing edible for a very long time, even if Noah and his clan immediately started planting seeds upon making land. And, again, what about the carnivores? How many generations would have to pass before they could start preying on the offspring of the survivors of the flood? Of course, according to the bible, the slaughter started immediately, as, after the flood, of the few remaining animals left on earth, God tells Noah, “…every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you.” Gen. 9:3 How quickly would each species become extinct if such an occurrence had actually taken place? And what happened to kosher?

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And what about all those who witnessed what Noah and his family were up to? No doubt everyone scoffed at Noah’s endeavor, especially when he and his family locked themselves inside the Ark with all the animals. But then it began to rain. And it rained and rained and rained and rained, and the waters began to rise. At what point did the others realize they wanted to be on the Ark as well? Day 20? Day 30? Day 39? How exactly did the Ark survive the panicked mob that assuredly came down upon it once everyone realized they were being murdered by God? Not a one managed to pry open the door impractically placed in its side? And is there a ship designer alive who believes that a vessel constructed at that time with a door in its side could possibly ever be sea worthy?

Oh, and let’s not even consider that the weight of the Ark, filled to capacity with animals, food and supplies, would result in a completely non-buoyant vessel. And think about it; it would have been impossible for Noah, his wife, his three sons and their three wives, (8 people total) to both crew the vessel and care for and feed and clean up after all the animals. And how did Noah keep the birds from eating all the insects? And what about the parasites they (and the other animals) carried? Do those count for the two of each living thing? Probably more like the seven.

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Think of what the conditions must have been like on board the Ark for 190 days. How is it no viruses or diseases were spread? Realistically, how many of the animals would have died during the voyage? What about after? How many would have refused to mate with the one they were partnered up with? As any zoologist will tell you, a male and female of any species aren’t necessarily compatible as mates and even if they were, there is no guarantee that they could produce an offspring. And in case any believer suggests that at any point God interfered in order to guarantee his plan worked out (i.e. all animals mated and produced offspring, never attacked one another, no sickness on board), I ask why not just snap his almighty fingers and make all the offending humans fall dead? Why all the drama? Why not just snap his almighty fingers and poof there is the Ark and snap all the animals are on board? Did he want to sit and stew in his anger while Noah and his sons attempted to obey his command? If a believer is going to suggest that God used his infinite powers to take part in the great plan, then they must concede that there was no need to kill every living thing, God simply wanted to. There’s simply no denying that the God depicted in the story of Noah and the Ark is nothing but a petulant monster. Lucky for the believer, this story is shown (and proven many times over) to be a complete work of fiction.

This leaves us with one simple question: Knowing that the story of Noah and the Ark is nothing but a fairy tale, how can anyone continue to believe in the legitimacy of the Bible? Do we need to address the story of David and Goliath (and the Beanstalk?)? Or Jonah and the Whale? Do we? Really? —

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All Gods Are Inventions of Man

Posted in -ALL GODS ARE INVENTIONS OF MAN, -MISC, Religion with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , on January 16, 2008 by DoubtingThomas

The Christian God is no different than Zeus or Horus or any other dismissed god of the past, and Jesus was only one of many crucified saviors. God’s come in very handy. They help explain the unknown, and might help you if you treat them right. And if you want to be important, how better than to make up a supreme being who names you his chosen people and despises everyone else? If you want to control your people, how better than to put a thousand rules into a god’s mouth and have him annihilate anyone who disobeys them? If you want to take other people’s land, how better to justify it than to have your god tell you to do it and leave no one breathing? If you want to be sexist and racist, how better to condone it than by having a sexist, racist god not only approve it but order it? If you are typical of the times and inclined to be cruel, how better to burn, hang, drown, smite, mutilate, and torture than to have your god command you to do it and set the example himself? If you want to kill your neighbor, your friend, and members of your family, and thrust your children through when you’re not beating them black and blue, what better way to get permission than from a god who is an amoral fiend himself? Poor God! We can’t always choose our biographers.

 

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The Legality of Religious Indoctrination

Posted in -QUESTIONS FOR GOD AND HIS BELIEVERS, Religion with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , on January 16, 2008 by DoubtingThomas

Should religious indoctrination in children be illegal? Is it the equivalent of child abuse? Should a person not be allowed to choose what god they want to worship until they are an adult? A person most often becomes the religion of their parent for no other reason than that is the person who raised them. There was no conscious choice. There was no careful examination of the various religions and gods currently being worshiped and then whichever one they ‘connect’ with becomes their religion. Consider the following scenarios: A young child of 7 years-old is being raised by Christian parents, and during a camping trip in Utah, both parents are bitten by a poisonous snake and die. The child wonders off into the wilderness and is later found by another family who was also camping. The child is taken in by the family and raised by them. The family is Mormon. Will the child grow up to be a Christian or a Mormon like his ‘adopted’ family? How about if the Christian family is doing missionary work in Afghanistan and their vehicle hits an old landmine and everyone is killed but the child who wonders off into the desert and is found by an Afghani family. The child will grow up and be a Muslim not a Christian. How about if the Christian family is doing missionary work in the depths of the Amazon and is attacked by a Jaguar and the parents are killed. Say a local tribe finds the child and raises him amongst them. That child will grow up worshiping the river god Waesaritu. Why would God allow the innocent child to be misled this way, damning him to eternal hellfire?

Nicole’s comment, I moved it here

Posted in Uncategorized on January 15, 2008 by DoubtingThomas

 Nicole’s comment originally posted on my main page (https://doubtingthomas426.wordpress.com/). It really doesn’t belong there as it is a response to a comment I made on someone else’s blog so I moved it here.

Some thoughts – as per our discussion on mendingshift.wordpress.com ….

Some of the comments only made sense in light of the discussion – ie.  seeing Christ in the flesh… we had been discussing what we would do, upon seeing Him, if He were to return in our lifetime.  Would I also treat Him as a heretic?  To which I said no – Because of what He is doing in me….  I think that hope in Christ is better placed than hope in myself.   I believe that, not in the fingers-crossed sense – but in the eagerly anticipating sense.  You want to make logical, and rational, things that cannot be explained.  I can not Prove God’s existence in my life to you.   I think there is a ton of back and forthness, if we want to get into things like the flood.  I think there are men who have addressed these things at length, better than I can.  (ie.  http://www.answersincreation.org/noahark.htm )  I assume you may call this a cop out – I quite simply don’t have the time, nor the necessity, to do all the researching myself – but trust you can find some of the answers there from more credible sources. To some of the statements I made – I was mostly quoting, to the best of my recollection, some verses from Scripture – me: “I  can only love Him because He first loved me.”  you: Huh? Please explain what in the world this is supposed to mean.answer: 1 John 4:19 – “We love Him because He first loved us.” me:  He (God) pursues All of His sheep, and that He will not lose any.you: Can you please define ‘sheep’ for me. I have to assume you mean Christians and not simply humanity. If so, then your statement suggests that your God would never allow a Christian to ever become anything but. Obvious this is not true. If, instead, ‘sheep’ refers more to the all inclusive humanity then, again, this is obviously an untrue statement.answer: John 6:39 – “And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.”I take “sheep” to mean the elect – those God has chosen for salvation.  I do mean Christians.  I do believe that, as the above verse states, Jesus will not lose any of His sheep (Christians).   I believe the Bible clearly teaches that there are those set aside, for salvation (forgiveness of sins, heaven, etc) from before the time when God created the world (see also Ephesians 1:4 for example)This ties in with “I love Him, because He loved me.”  I believe God works, in a saving way, in the hearts of His children/elect/Christians – before they do anything to reach out and believe in return.  I believe that all of mankind is dead in his sins – that is, he has no ability to reach out to God, nor any desire to, apart from God creating that desire in him.  Spiritual darkness is a term for anyone who does not know God, in a saving sense.  The Bible talks alot about eyes being blind and hearts being hardened.  Romans especially talks about the state of man, before the Lord intervenes in his life.  I was not saved out of any glamorous sinful lifestyle – merely the daily sort.   And – I apologize for the “empty, fanciful, prosaic, unoriginal, lyrical, nonsensical phrases.”  I was talking with other believers, and never thought about the fact that there are others reading it – who don’t get it….  Thank you for asking for clarification. I am intrigued – you know ALOT of the scary passages – ask 1000 Christians who Jephthah is, and see if any remember – but you did not realise I was pretty much quoting the Bible on Jeromy’s blog… is that intentional?  Are you looking for the worst?   Do you actually want answers, or are you seeking to create doubt in others?  Also find the 426 reference an interesting combo with the DoubtingThomas…  🙂   I don’t believe that the God I present is the same one that many will within the Christian church.  And, naturally, we all think we are right….  I firmly believe that – good or bad – God is doing all for His glory (Romans 9 again).  I also believe, as Laurel stated – that we do not deserve any more than the angels got – who, though we were created lower than, still received the gift of redemption that they do not have a chance at.   You want God to be responsible for man’s sin.  For not creating a way out for everyone.  You see Him, perhaps, as evil for allowing evil….  You have a premise “God should be like…..”  and go out from there….. I don’t know the best place to continue this – it will get lost here on the main page.  If you post on my blog – or start a new thread, I’d be happy to keep going…  Sorry, for any of the explanations that make no sense – please ask for further clarification, if you need it!

Is Heaven Really Hell?

Posted in -QUESTIONS FOR GOD AND HIS BELIEVERS, Religion with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , on January 15, 2008 by DoubtingThomas

Will the saved in heaven miss their skeptical friends and family who are doomed to eternal torment in hell? The bible says there will be no sorrow. Are you the same age in heaven as you were when you died? Child, old man? Or in your ‘prime’? Who decides? You? Will they have bodily functions? The bible mentions feasts in heaven? If you eat in heaven will the resulting bodily functions occur? Is there sex? How will we recognize each other if we don’t have a recognizable form? Will we have wrinkles? Gray hair? Be bald? Fat? Male or female (if no sex then why different sexes? Why genitals at all?)? Teeth (if no eating, no teeth)? Noses (nothing smells, no need)? Will lost appendages be restored? Infirmities erased? What about birth defects? Will a born cripple still be a cripple in heaven? If you’re beautiful in life will you be beautiful in heaven? The same with ugly? In other words, will anybody stand out? Will we all look alike? Same race? If not there will be certain discrimination in heaven as there always is with those that aren’t alike. Luke 22:29, 30“And I appoint unto you a kingdom … that ye may eat & drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel.” *** PLEASE visit my Main Page and check out my many other posts in the various categories listed on the left.

The Origin of Life

Posted in -IN THE BEGINNING, Religion with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , on January 15, 2008 by DoubtingThomas

This is a comment by Whiteman0o0 (David). I deleted it from my main page to place it here. 

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[[[I have a quick question, really more of a chain of thought that I have been mulling over for a few months and I hope one of the “rational thinkers” here can explain it to me since me being a xian has apparently made me devoid of all rational thought process. Trace the evolutionary tree back, finally you get to the one celled organisms, where did they come from? Protiens, but where did the protiens come from? amino acids, But where did the amino acids come from? The basic question I am asserting here is where did the first life come from? Abiogenesis?, Aliens?, Chuck Norris? someone please give me an answer with your “rational” thought process.

P.S. In case you havent read other posts on this site, I am a Xian and I believe that modern science does not refute God’s existence but rather supports it. I also believe that God created the earth, and still works in it today. !)avid]]]

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I love Whiteman0o0’s question as it is one of the most challenging questions for those who don’t believe in the biblical explanation of how life began. Personally, I think the Chuck Norris option is the most plausible. Kidding, of course, but the reality is this question of how life began is one of the main motivating factor for a large number of the gods mankind has created over the years. Gods help us explain the unexplainable. As our knowledge of our world and our universe expands, we as a species need rely less and less on superstition to illuminate these mysteries. Nevertheless, there are still a great many mysteries left unexplained. Whiteman0o0 believes that science will eventually prove the reality of the Christian god, while I believe it has already proven just the opposite. As for the origin of life; I truly don’t believe any current explanation has it right. But let’s face it, the ALIEN explanation is FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR more believable than ANY explanation supplied by ANY religion, especially Christianity. 

I hope others will do their best to answer Whiteman0o0’s excellent query.

Test Your Faith

Posted in Religion with tags , , on January 8, 2008 by DoubtingThomas

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10 Sound Reasons To Abandon the Christian Faith

Posted in Religion with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , on January 8, 2008 by DoubtingThomas

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10 sound reasons to abandon the Christian faith.

1. Christianity—in all its obnoxious denominations—is illogical, irrational, unreasonable and, of greatest import, unscientific. From mammalian parthenogenesis to talking non-human animals, from repeated corpse resurrection to impossible human longevity, this particular brand of mythology is unscientific to its core. Various absurdities, found in both the Old and New Testaments, simply cannot be reconciled with science-based reality and natural principles.

2. The Bible, in the not-too-distant past, reasonably has been interpreted to permit—or even condone—“witch” burnings, slavery, torture, female subservience and all manner of detestable horror. True, some passages in the Good Book speak about love, charity, forgiveness and solidarity. But, other passages—equally numerous if not more—prescribe stoning people to death for fictitious offenses such as gathering sticks on the Sabbath. In short, the very same tome that pious people clutch in church on Sundays was in the bloodstained hands of murderous primitives inflicting the thumbscrew on innocents guilty only of non-conformity in a Christofascist, pre-scientific world.

3. James Ussher’s Bible-based dating of Creation—that it took place nightfall before October 23, 4004 BCE—is egregiously, laughably fictitious. As Sam Harris snickers, “This is, incidentally, about a thousand years after the Sumerians invented glue.” A 6000-year-old earth is so absurdly in conflict with the evidence as to make the proposition strictly comical and unworthy of scholarly attention. In contrast to the Bible’s small and young (and non-existent) universe, cosmologists have discovered that there are more than one hundred billion (10^11) galaxies in our universe, each featuring hundreds of billions of stars. The sun—the center of our solar system—is merely an ordinary star, in an ordinary galaxy. Our universe is roughly 13.7 billion years old. And, who knows if we might live in some sort of grand cosmic multiverse, of which our universe is merely an insignificant speck.

4. Atheism is the only consistent position with respect to faith-based religious mythology. Christians, for example, are non-believers with respect to every faith except Christianity. Christians are utterly atheistic about every deity (of the infinitely many which could be conceived) except Yahweh. How oddly inconsistent. Muslims, too, reject every world religion save for Islam, which, to them, has a monopoly on absolute Truth. How is it reasonable to reject 10,000 faith-based religions, yet cling to the absolute authority of one? The only reasonable method by which to choose one religion over another would be hard evidence—something that all modern religions lack equally. Absent hard evidence, isn’t faith in Yahweh equal to faith in Enlil (or any other fantastical imagining)?

5. Historic “heroes” of Christianity are worthy neither of respect nor reverence. Harris writes, “It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews and witches.” Here, once again, we return to severe punishments prescribed for fictitious offenses. The Christofascist societies of centuries past (ruled over by the same Bible one finds at Sunday Services) bear a frightening resemblance to the modern-day Islamofascist Middle East, into which we have butted our collective nose.

6. Yahweh is woefully unworthy of worship. As portrayed in the Old Testament, he is the very embodiment of human frailty: vicious, vengeful, jealous, egotistical, insecure and, most frighteningly, endlessly murderous. Yahweh also seems to have difficulty separating the important from the insignificant, as evidenced by the Ten Commandments. Harris writes, “And what are we to make of the fact that, in bringing his treatise to a close, the creator of our universe could think of no human concerns more pressing and durable than the coveting of servants and livestock?” Yahweh’s special list of ten alternates between self-aggrandizement, statements of the obvious, pronouncements of the silly and declarations of the trivial.

7. No God, the Christian character or otherwise, should be worshipped given the results with which we live. If Yahweh is real, then cancer, smallpox, AIDS, malaria and aphasia are all products of his cloud-enshrouded laboratory. “Acts of God” such as Hurricane Katrina and the devastating tsunami of a few years ago are exactly that—the life-extinguishing playthings of the creator of the cosmos. Then there are starvation, homelessness, birth defects, genetic disease….

8. Piety can directly result in mass death. Harris writes, “Christian missionaries have been known to preach the sinfulness of condom use in villages where no other information about condoms is available. This kind of piety is genocidal.” He continues, in a note, “If you can believe it, the Vatican is currently opposed to condom use even to prevent the spread of HIV from one married partner to another.” This is truly sickening, folks. In the fundamentalist mind, agonizing death is preferable to the imagined sin of sex aided by contraceptive.

9. Virulent Christian anti-Semitism helped create the environment in which the Holocaust took place. Harris writes, “…the anti-Semitism that built the Nazi death camps was a direct inheritance from medieval Christianity. For centuries, Christian Europeans had viewed the Jews as the worst species of heretics and attributed every societal ill to their continued presence among the faithful. While the hatred of Jews in Germany expressed itself in a predominantly secular way, its roots were religious, and the explicitly religious demonization of the Jews of Europe continued throughout the period. The Vatican itself perpetuated the blood libel in its newspapers as late as 1914. And both Catholic and Protestant churches have a shameful record of complicity with the Nazi genocide.”

10. Let us turn, for just for a moment, to David Mills’ Atheist Universe: “The Church angrily denounced the introduction of medicines, antibiotics, anesthesia, surgery, blood transfusions, birth control, transplants, in vitro fertilization and most forms of pain killers. Supposedly, these scientific tools interfered with nature and were therefore against God’s will.” The Church’s modern-day anti-science positions, obviously, should come as no shock. Diminishing human suffering never has been a high-level concern. After all, in a mind deranged by religion, there is another life to which to look forward. The earthly is merely ephemeral and, thus, suffering is a-ok.

–TAKEN FROM MY CASE AGAINST GOD BY DAN FERRISI  

Words of Christopher Hitchens

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Christopher Hitchens states in God is not Great, “One must state it plainly. Religion comes from the period of human prehistory where nobody—not even the mighty Democritus who concluded that all matter was made from atoms—had the smallest idea what was going on. It comes from the bawling and fearful infancy of our species, and is a babyish attempt to meet our inescapable demand for knowledge (as well as for comfort, reassurance, and other infantile needs). Today the least educated of my children knows much more about the natural order than any of the founders of religion, and one would like to think—though the connection is not a fully demonstrable one—that this is why they seem so uninterested in sending fellow humans to hell.”

Got Raped? Lucky You! Bible Says You Get A Husband.

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Deut. 22:28, 29 – Describes how if a man rapes a woman and is discovered, “…then he shall give unto the damsel’s father 50 shekels of silver and she shall be his wife…” What happens if they are not found during the act? But hey, lucky for the rape victim, right? She gets a husband! Woo Hoo!

Does a Soul Have Nerve Endings?

Posted in -QUESTIONS FOR GOD AND HIS BELIEVERS, Religion with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , on January 6, 2008 by DoubtingThomas


Another problem for the soul-particularly in relation to Hell-Does the soul have the ability to feel pain. Can a soul be tortured and brutalized? Pain is a particularly bodily phenomenon; it involves nerves, it involves tissue, it involves, most importantly, the brain. Please explain how a ghostly essence, separated from the body, can feel pain.

10 Sound Reasons To Abandon the Christian Faith

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10 sound reasons to abandon the Christian faith

–TAKEN FROM MY CASE AGAINST GOD BY DAN FERRISI–

1. Christianity—in all its obnoxious denominations—is illogical, irrational, unreasonable and, of greatest import, unscientific. From mammalian parthenogenesis to talking non-human animals, from repeated corpse resurrection to impossible human longevity, this particular brand of mythology is unscientific to its core. Various absurdities, found in both the Old and New Testaments, simply cannot be reconciled with science-based reality and natural principles.

2. The Bible, in the not-too-distant past, reasonably has been interpreted to permit—or even condone—“witch” burnings, slavery, torture, female subservience and all manner of detestable horror. True, some passages in the Good Book speak about love, charity, forgiveness and solidarity. But, other passages—equally numerous if not more—prescribe stoning people to death for fictitious offenses such as gathering sticks on the Sabbath. In short, the very same tome that pious people clutch in church on Sundays was in the bloodstained hands of murderous primitives inflicting the thumbscrew on innocents guilty only of non-conformity in a Christofascist, pre-scientific world.

3. James Ussher’s Bible-based dating of Creation—that it took place nightfall before October 23, 4004 BCE—is egregiously, laughably fictitious. As Sam Harris snickers, “This is, incidentally, about a thousand years after the Sumerians invented glue.” A 6000-year-old earth is so absurdly in conflict with the evidence as to make the proposition strictly comical and unworthy of scholarly attention. In contrast to the Bible’s small and young (and non-existent) universe, cosmologists have discovered that there are more than one hundred billion (10^11) galaxies in our universe, each featuring hundreds of billions of stars. The sun—the center of our solar system—is merely an ordinary star, in an ordinary galaxy. Our universe is roughly 13.7 billion years old. And, who knows if we might live in some sort of grand cosmic multiverse, of which our universe is merely an insignificant speck.

4. Atheism is the only consistent position with respect to faith-based religious mythology. Christians, for example, are non-believers with respect to every faith except Christianity. Christians are utterly atheistic about every deity (of the infinitely many which could be conceived) except Yahweh. How oddly inconsistent. Muslims, too, reject every world religion save for Islam, which, to them, has a monopoly on absolute Truth. How is it reasonable to reject 10,000 faith-based religions, yet cling to the absolute authority of one? The only reasonable method by which to choose one religion over another would be hard evidence—something that all modern religions lack equally. Absent hard evidence, isn’t faith in Yahweh equal to faith in Enlil (or any other fantastical imagining)?

5. Historic “heroes” of Christianity are worthy neither of respect nor reverence. Harris writes, “It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews and witches.” Here, once again, we return to severe punishments prescribed for fictitious offenses. The Christofascist societies of centuries past (ruled over by the same Bible one finds at Sunday Services) bear a frightening resemblance to the modern-day Islamofascist Middle East, into which we have butted our collective nose.

6. Yahweh is woefully unworthy of worship. As portrayed in the Old Testament, he is the very embodiment of human frailty: vicious, vengeful, jealous, egotistical, insecure and, most frighteningly, endlessly murderous. Yahweh also seems to have difficulty separating the important from the insignificant, as evidenced by the Ten Commandments. Harris writes, “And what are we to make of the fact that, in bringing his treatise to a close, the creator of our universe could think of no human concerns more pressing and durable than the coveting of servants and livestock?” Yahweh’s special list of ten alternates between self-aggrandizement, statements of the obvious, pronouncements of the silly and declarations of the trivial.

7. No God, the Christian character or otherwise, should be worshipped given the results with which we live. If Yahweh is real, then cancer, smallpox, AIDS, malaria and aphasia are all products of his cloud-enshrouded laboratory. “Acts of God” such as Hurricane Katrina and the devastating tsunami of a few years ago are exactly that—the life-extinguishing playthings of the creator of the cosmos. Then there are starvation, homelessness, birth defects, genetic disease….

8. Piety can directly result in mass death. Harris writes, “Christian missionaries have been known to preach the sinfulness of condom use in villages where no other information about condoms is available. This kind of piety is genocidal.” He continues, in a note, “If you can believe it, the Vatican is currently opposed to condom use even to prevent the spread of HIV from one married partner to another.” This is truly sickening, folks. In the fundamentalist mind, agonizing death is preferable to the imagined sin of sex aided by contraceptive.

9. Virulent Christian anti-Semitism helped create the environment in which the Holocaust took place. Harris writes, “…the anti-Semitism that built the Nazi death camps was a direct inheritance from medieval Christianity. For centuries, Christian Europeans had viewed the Jews as the worst species of heretics and attributed every societal ill to their continued presence among the faithful. While the hatred of Jews in Germany expressed itself in a predominantly secular way, its roots were religious, and the explicitly religious demonization of the Jews of Europe continued throughout the period. The Vatican itself perpetuated the blood libel in its newspapers as late as 1914. And both Catholic and Protestant churches have a shameful record of complicity with the Nazi genocide.”

10. Let us turn, for just for a moment, to David Mills’ Atheist Universe: “The Church angrily denounced the introduction of medicines, antibiotics, anesthesia, surgery, blood transfusions, birth control, transplants, in vitro fertilization and most forms of pain killers. Supposedly, these scientific tools interfered with nature and were therefore against God’s will.” The Church’s modern-day anti-science positions, obviously, should come as no shock. Diminishing human suffering never has been a high-level concern. After all, in a mind deranged by religion, there is another life to which to look forward. The earthly is merely ephemeral and, thus, suffering is a-ok.

 

More Words By The Genius Sam Harris

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Sam Harris says in Letter to a Christian Nation, “…just imagine how breathtakingly specific a work of prophecy would be, if it were actually the product of omniscience. If the Bible were such a book, it would make perfectly accurate predictions about human events. You would expect it to contain a passage such as ‘In the latter half of the twentieth century, humankind will develop a globally linked system of computers—the principles of which I set forth in Leviticus—and this system shall be called the Internet.’ The Bible contains nothing like this. In fact, it does not contain a single sentence that could not have been written by a man or woman living in the first century. This should trouble you.”

THE ABUSE OF WOMEN

Posted in -THE ABUSE OF WOMEN IN THE BIBLE with tags , , , , , on January 6, 2008 by DoubtingThomas

“Civilization will not attain to its perfection until the last stone from the last church falls on the last priest!” – Émile Zola, French Journalist & Novelist (1871-93).

Hey, Woman, God Says To Zip It!

Posted in -THE ABUSE OF WOMEN IN THE BIBLE with tags , , , , , on January 6, 2008 by DoubtingThomas

I Cor. 14:34, 35“Let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law. And if they would learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home: for it is shameful for a woman to speak in the church.” These are more of the woman hater Paul’s words. I guess women preachers, priests, nuns, etc. should not be permitted then.

A Perfect Example of the Ugliness of the God of the Bible

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Only Lot, his wife and his two daughters are deemed worthy of being sparred God’s wrath. Once again, much like with Noah, it’s conveniently all in the family. AND YET, even though God just moments before had deemed her worthy of living, when Lot’s wife (she never has a name) looks back and witnesses her family and friends being murdered by God, she is no longer worthy and God kills her. As a result, Lot’s two daughters end up having sex with Lot in order to produce an heir. Gen 19:32-36 “Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.”

The God of the Bible is a Monster

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Jephthah promises God to make a burnt offering of the first thing that greets him if God will give him victory in battle. He assumes it will be a dog. The all knowing God knows it won’t be a dog and agrees, giving Jephthah the victory he desires (again, more personal interference from God). Only when Jephthah returns from battle it is his young daughter that rushes out to greet him. No mercy from God. Jephthah burns his daughter to death to keep his promise to God. And God, no doubt, reveled in it. Judges 11:30-39. The only thing you can assume from this story is either God knew it would be his daughter that would run out to greet Jephthah and not the dog and agreed to his bargain anyway OR God himself held the dog back and encouraged the daughter to run out to teach Jephthah a lesson. Either way God is a monster.

Penn Jillette – There Is No God

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 There Is No God

by  (comedian/Magician/Genius)

 I believe that there is no God. I’m beyond atheism. Atheism is not believing in God. Not believing in God is easy — you can’t prove a negative, so there’s no work to do. You can’t prove that there isn’t an elephant inside the trunk of my car. You sure? How about now? Maybe he was just hiding before. Check again. Did I mention that my personal heartfelt definition of the word “elephant” includes mystery, order, goodness, love and a spare tire?

So, anyone with a love for truth outside of herself has to start with no belief in God and then look for evidence of God. She needs to search for some objective evidence of a supernatural power. All the people I write e-mails to often are still stuck at this searching stage. The atheism part is easy.

But, this “This I Believe” thing seems to demand something more personal, some leap of faith that helps one see life’s big picture, some rules to live by. So, I’m saying, “This I believe: I believe there is no God.”

Having taken that step, it informs every moment of my life. I’m not greedy. I have love, blue skies, rainbows and Hallmark cards, and that has to be enough. It has to be enough, but it’s everything in the world and everything in the world is plenty for me. It seems just rude to beg the invisible for more. Just the love of my family that raised me and the family I’m raising now is enough that I don’t need heaven. I won the huge genetic lottery and I get joy every day.

Believing there’s no God means I can’t really be forgiven except by kindness and faulty memories. That’s good; it makes me want to be more thoughtful. I have to try to treat people right the first time around.

Believing there’s no God stops me from being solipsistic. I can read ideas from all different people from all different cultures. Without God, we can agree on reality, and I can keep learning where I’m wrong. We can all keep adjusting, so we can really communicate. I don’t travel in circles where people say, “I have faith, I believe this in my heart and nothing you can say or do can shake my faith.” That’s just a long-winded religious way to say, “shut up,” or another two words that the FCC likes less. But all obscenity is less insulting than, “How I was brought up and my imaginary friend means more to me than anything you can ever say or do.” So, believing there is no God lets me be proven wrong and that’s always fun. It means I’m learning something.

Believing there is no God means the suffering I’ve seen in my family, and indeed all the suffering in the world, isn’t caused by an omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent force that isn’t bothered to help or is just testing us, but rather something we all may be able to help others with in the future. No God means the possibility of less suffering in the future.

Believing there is no God gives me more room for belief in family, people, love, truth, beauty, sex, Jell-O and all the other things I can prove and that make this life the best life I will ever have.

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